California homes burn ... Help ?
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living in pa....wish i could do the same.....my prayers are with all of you...... God bless you stealth
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living in pa....wish i could do the same.....my prayers are with all of you...... God bless you stealth
rickyd
Secondly, RICKYD, have I ever asked you where in Pa are you from? That's where my allante resides now.
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Firstly, nice post stealth, reminds me of the hurricane Wilma posts in 2005 on the other site. Good job.
Secondly, RICKYD, have I ever asked you where in Pa are you from? That's where my allante resides now.
ORIGINAL: rickyd
living in pa....wish i could do the same.....my prayers are with all of you...... God bless you stealth
rickyd
living in pa....wish i could do the same.....my prayers are with all of you...... God bless you stealth
rickyd
Secondly, RICKYD, have I ever asked you where in Pa are you from? That's where my allante resides now.
rickyd
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RE: California homes burn ... Help ?
Well, evacuations are nearing 1 million. They stopped counting destroyed homes, estimates exceding 2,000 and going.
I got a couple calls this morning from San Diego North County. The people just wanting to know there was a place for them to jump to if they get hit.
It is the local opinion that the Feds have F***** again.
Although the laws were changed in CA to allow Fed help, it didnt come early enough when it was requested. It is the local consensus that it should not take 3 days to fly the tankers into our local airports and start dropping water or fire retardants. Being a x-USAF guy, having worked on those tankers, I agree. I know how fast we can turn those tankers down the flight line and it is in minutes, not hrs and surely not days. MINUTES. The longest wait is always the command to GO !
Pentagon? Washington? Who knows .. finger pointing will happen.
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Lake City is west of Erie 10mi........Erie, Pa. is U.S. side of lake Erie, we are between Buffalo, NY, and Cleveland OH...90mi each way. and north of Pittsburgh, Pa. 125 mi....... or, simply put north west corner of Pennsylvania, on the lake..........where does your allante reside?
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Firstly, nice post stealth, reminds me of the hurricane Wilma posts in 2005 on the other site. Good job.
Secondly, RICKYD, have I ever asked you where in Pa are you from? That's where my allante resides now.
ORIGINAL: rickyd
living in pa....wish i could do the same.....my prayers are with all of you...... God bless you stealth
rickyd
living in pa....wish i could do the same.....my prayers are with all of you...... God bless you stealth
rickyd
Secondly, RICKYD, have I ever asked you where in Pa are you from? That's where my allante resides now.
rickyd
Rickyd I'm form Bucks county but did many years of deer hunting in Potter county on route 6.
Back on topic, pretty far away here in S. Florida, but you know if I could do anything for those guys to help out, I got your back.
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RE: California homes burn ... Help ?
Here is something real interesting.
With the largest evacuation ever for the USA, nearing 1 million people, the collection people are asking
that food/item donations be halted. They have been overwhelmed in excess of everything, food, toys, and
misc items.
The local companies, food chains, fast food companies have been sending 18-wheelers FULL of food.
This morning, the got so many donuts from Kripy Kream that people were being given donuts by the case to
get the donuts out of the way. The parking lots at the stadium full of RVs, campers, tail gate parties, and
party atmosphere.
I hear the same has happened with other food items as well.
In all of this, NO CRIME .. no one arrested in the evacuation crowds, except for two illegals that did something stupid.
When the showers were opened today, there was no stampede. People lined up peacefully.
AND BY THE WAY, little of this help is government, it is for the most part CIVILIAN folks, like yourselves.
WHAT GIVES ? People here care ? People here know how to take care of themselves?
WOW ! ! ! !
ps.
So far, three contacts to test the waters here. People said that if things went badly, they be coming, but so far A.OK
Conditions were really nice they said.
Seems the fire has not crossed the border into Mexico and it is raging down south. Interesting to wait and see if the
Mexican Govt asks for USAF bombing raids ... of water ... across the international line.
With the largest evacuation ever for the USA, nearing 1 million people, the collection people are asking
that food/item donations be halted. They have been overwhelmed in excess of everything, food, toys, and
misc items.
The local companies, food chains, fast food companies have been sending 18-wheelers FULL of food.
This morning, the got so many donuts from Kripy Kream that people were being given donuts by the case to
get the donuts out of the way. The parking lots at the stadium full of RVs, campers, tail gate parties, and
party atmosphere.
I hear the same has happened with other food items as well.
In all of this, NO CRIME .. no one arrested in the evacuation crowds, except for two illegals that did something stupid.
When the showers were opened today, there was no stampede. People lined up peacefully.
AND BY THE WAY, little of this help is government, it is for the most part CIVILIAN folks, like yourselves.
WHAT GIVES ? People here care ? People here know how to take care of themselves?
WOW ! ! ! !
ps.
So far, three contacts to test the waters here. People said that if things went badly, they be coming, but so far A.OK
Conditions were really nice they said.
Seems the fire has not crossed the border into Mexico and it is raging down south. Interesting to wait and see if the
Mexican Govt asks for USAF bombing raids ... of water ... across the international line.
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RE: California homes burn ... Help ?
as of today, L.A. fires were under control. Voters put out money to buy equip in 2003, train pilots for
night flying and fire storm fighting.
The effort has paid off.
San Diego and Orange County chose to not follow the lead.
I can see the smoke around us, but there are no out of control fires to speak of in L.A. County
The Los Angeles Fire Dept pilots flew day and night until they got to 90+ % contained. Yes, a lot of homes
were destroyed, but the reasons have to do with the people that occupy the homes ( more later) and not the
firefighters. Fires were under control before the Fed planes even got off the ground to start their journey to California.
By Julie Sevrens Lyons
Mercury News
Although San Diego's disaster is far from being over, some Bay Area emergency services officials believe the reverse 9-1-1 system has already proven to beworth it.
"It's not a cure-all for public alerting, but it is a very important tool," Lee said. "With just a few actions, you can send out a lot of messages to a lot of people quickly. So it's very efficient." Indeed, in the past, communities have relied primarily on their emergency broadcast systems - television and radio announcements - to alert the public about disasters. But those systems only work when residents actually have their televisions or radios on, if they even own a television at all.
The automated system, which cost San Diego County $320,000, is capable of making 264 calls per minute. It combines GIS mapping technologies with 9-1-1 calling. One of its major drawbacks is it does require functioning power and phone lines. Fire crews have been alerting the sheriff's department which areas need to be evacuated, narrowing the evacuations down to certain neighborhoods. Messages are being recorded in English only, and are being tailored to meet the needs of those individual neighborhoods, spelling out where residents can flee to or roads that may be closed in their area.
This week, many of the evacuation calls made in San Diego have taken place before dawn, when most people have been sleeping rather than channel surfing. The message has varied from community to community, with some being told "be prepared" to leave. And others hearing the stern words "go now," followed by some evacuation instructions.
The department is crediting the system with saving some lives already, including a sleeping family startled awake by their evacuation phone call. By Tuesday afternoon, just one person had died in the San Diego County fires.
night flying and fire storm fighting.
The effort has paid off.
San Diego and Orange County chose to not follow the lead.
I can see the smoke around us, but there are no out of control fires to speak of in L.A. County
The Los Angeles Fire Dept pilots flew day and night until they got to 90+ % contained. Yes, a lot of homes
were destroyed, but the reasons have to do with the people that occupy the homes ( more later) and not the
firefighters. Fires were under control before the Fed planes even got off the ground to start their journey to California.
By Julie Sevrens Lyons
Mercury News
Although San Diego's disaster is far from being over, some Bay Area emergency services officials believe the reverse 9-1-1 system has already proven to beworth it.
"It's not a cure-all for public alerting, but it is a very important tool," Lee said. "With just a few actions, you can send out a lot of messages to a lot of people quickly. So it's very efficient." Indeed, in the past, communities have relied primarily on their emergency broadcast systems - television and radio announcements - to alert the public about disasters. But those systems only work when residents actually have their televisions or radios on, if they even own a television at all.
The automated system, which cost San Diego County $320,000, is capable of making 264 calls per minute. It combines GIS mapping technologies with 9-1-1 calling. One of its major drawbacks is it does require functioning power and phone lines. Fire crews have been alerting the sheriff's department which areas need to be evacuated, narrowing the evacuations down to certain neighborhoods. Messages are being recorded in English only, and are being tailored to meet the needs of those individual neighborhoods, spelling out where residents can flee to or roads that may be closed in their area.
This week, many of the evacuation calls made in San Diego have taken place before dawn, when most people have been sleeping rather than channel surfing. The message has varied from community to community, with some being told "be prepared" to leave. And others hearing the stern words "go now," followed by some evacuation instructions.
The department is crediting the system with saving some lives already, including a sleeping family startled awake by their evacuation phone call. By Tuesday afternoon, just one person had died in the San Diego County fires.
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FEMA for staging fake wildfire news conference
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Homeland Security slams FEMA for staging fake wildfire news conference
Original posting at 11:56 a.m. ET: Those weren't reporters questioning the deputy chief of FEMA earlier this week, they were federal employees playing the role of journalists during a televised briefing on the wildfires in southern California. An agency spokesman tells The Washington Post that they didn't have time to wait for real reporters to come to their office near the U.S. Capitol. "We had been getting mobbed with phone calls from reporters, and this was thrown together at the last minute," Mike Widomski, FEMA's deputy director of public affairs, tells the paper. So, instead of waiting for outsiders to come to their offices, the P.R. people just turned on the cameras and tossed softballs to their boss. That may be why Vice Adm. Harvey Johnson found it so easy to answer the questions, according to the Post. (A philosophical question: If the press doesn't come to your press conference did you really hold a press conference?)
Here's a sampling of the questions:
QUESTION: Sir, there are a number of reports that people weren't heeding evacuation orders and that was hindering emergency responders. Can you speak a little to that, please?
QUESTION: Can you address a little bit what it means to have the president issue an emergency declaration, as opposed to a major disaster declaration? What does that (inaudible) for FEMA?
QUESTION: Sir, we understand the secretary and the administrator of FEMA are on their way out there. What is their objective? And is there anyone else traveling with them?
STAFF: Last question.
QUESTION: What lessons learned from Katrina have been applied?
Update at 3:01 p.m. ET: FEMA just issued an apology. "FEMA’s goal is to get information out as soon as possible, and in trying to do so we made an error in judgment," the agency says in a statement attributed to Johnson. "Our intent was to provide useful information and be responsive to the many questions we have received. We are reviewing our press procedures and will make the changes necessary to ensure that all of our communications are straight forward and transparent."
USA TODAY's Mimi Hall reports that officials at the Homeland Security Department aren't happy about FEMA's follies. "This is inexcusable to the secretary," spokeswoman Laura Keehner says.
She describes the incident as a lapse in judgment, but says "stunts such as this will not be tolerated" and notes that "the senior leadership of the department is taking this very seriously."
"This is offensive, inexcusable," she says.
Homeland Security slams FEMA for staging fake wildfire news conference
Original posting at 11:56 a.m. ET: Those weren't reporters questioning the deputy chief of FEMA earlier this week, they were federal employees playing the role of journalists during a televised briefing on the wildfires in southern California. An agency spokesman tells The Washington Post that they didn't have time to wait for real reporters to come to their office near the U.S. Capitol. "We had been getting mobbed with phone calls from reporters, and this was thrown together at the last minute," Mike Widomski, FEMA's deputy director of public affairs, tells the paper. So, instead of waiting for outsiders to come to their offices, the P.R. people just turned on the cameras and tossed softballs to their boss. That may be why Vice Adm. Harvey Johnson found it so easy to answer the questions, according to the Post. (A philosophical question: If the press doesn't come to your press conference did you really hold a press conference?)
Here's a sampling of the questions:
QUESTION: Sir, there are a number of reports that people weren't heeding evacuation orders and that was hindering emergency responders. Can you speak a little to that, please?
QUESTION: Can you address a little bit what it means to have the president issue an emergency declaration, as opposed to a major disaster declaration? What does that (inaudible) for FEMA?
QUESTION: Sir, we understand the secretary and the administrator of FEMA are on their way out there. What is their objective? And is there anyone else traveling with them?
STAFF: Last question.
QUESTION: What lessons learned from Katrina have been applied?
Update at 3:01 p.m. ET: FEMA just issued an apology. "FEMA’s goal is to get information out as soon as possible, and in trying to do so we made an error in judgment," the agency says in a statement attributed to Johnson. "Our intent was to provide useful information and be responsive to the many questions we have received. We are reviewing our press procedures and will make the changes necessary to ensure that all of our communications are straight forward and transparent."
USA TODAY's Mimi Hall reports that officials at the Homeland Security Department aren't happy about FEMA's follies. "This is inexcusable to the secretary," spokeswoman Laura Keehner says.
She describes the incident as a lapse in judgment, but says "stunts such as this will not be tolerated" and notes that "the senior leadership of the department is taking this very seriously."
"This is offensive, inexcusable," she says.
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by NASA
NASA satellites captured new images of the scorched Southern California landscape on October 26, 2007. These pictures were obtained by NASA’s Terra (left image) and Aqua (right image) satellites at 2:55 p.m. EDT and at 4:35 p.m. EDT respectively. They show several fires still burning in Southern California. Smoke from these blazes blanket the region.
According to news reports, favorable weather conditions have allowed firefighters to gain ground against several of the massive fires that caused extensive damage and destruction to Southern California throughout the past week.
The National Interagency Fire Center reports that the cooler temperatures and increased humidity forecasted for the area today should help firefighters to contain the remaining blazes.
As of October 29, the number of fires not yet contained was down to nine, which allowed hundreds of thousands of residents to return to their homes after massive evacuations.
While the fires are coming under control, the smoke they have produced remains a concern. The Air Pollution Control District of San Diego County reports that smoke from these blazes, visible in the above images, has lead to unhealthy air quality levels.
So California on fire. Pictures from NASA cameras.
Image Credit: NASA/GSFC/LaRC/JPL, MISR Team
NASA satellites captured new images of the scorched Southern California landscape on October 26, 2007. These pictures were obtained by NASA’s Terra (left image) and Aqua (right image) satellites at 2:55 p.m. EDT and at 4:35 p.m. EDT respectively. They show several fires still burning in Southern California. Smoke from these blazes blanket the region.
According to news reports, favorable weather conditions have allowed firefighters to gain ground against several of the massive fires that caused extensive damage and destruction to Southern California throughout the past week.
The National Interagency Fire Center reports that the cooler temperatures and increased humidity forecasted for the area today should help firefighters to contain the remaining blazes.
As of October 29, the number of fires not yet contained was down to nine, which allowed hundreds of thousands of residents to return to their homes after massive evacuations.
While the fires are coming under control, the smoke they have produced remains a concern. The Air Pollution Control District of San Diego County reports that smoke from these blazes, visible in the above images, has lead to unhealthy air quality levels.
So California on fire. Pictures from NASA cameras.
Image Credit: NASA/GSFC/LaRC/JPL, MISR Team
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