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speedway cars
After posting to allante' in pieces. How many of the original 33 speedway cars are left?
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is this a trick question?
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Allante PACE cars: speedway cars .. parade cars
Not a trick question, but surely it is controversial, specially when some seller makes the claim that he is selling one such car. Between the "parade" cars and the "Pace cars" we got two different questions. Officially, we know TWO PACE cars were submitted to the Indy mgt, but lots of rumors about a 3rd car that has yes to be identified beyond doubt .. something that gets more difficult with each passing year. One is at the Cadillac Museum the other owned privately. The "parade" cars, your guess is as good as mine. Only the PACE cars were fully equipped to run the INDY track. The two I know about, were at the track on race day. Why two? They were not allowed to refuel. Second car was not needed, so only one of the two actually run abreast the Indy cars, only one of the two. These two had the Indy light bars, safety equip, 5 point seat belts, center console controls, and custom ECM Chips. Earlier, in '06, a car fitting these PACE car descriptions was parted and crushed by a salvage yard that does GM subcontracting to destroy vehicles. Again, we dont know if that was the 3rd Pace car or another candidate built for the race. |
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I call what are called parade cars speedway cars. Since they were there and are normally special build to be flawless in every way, as opposed to replicas with a regular production. The car stripped of decals lost them during the summer of 92 sold as new car with less than 100 miles. Maybe it was a factory built copy. Years later nascar parade cars came to the same dealer no decals or the few autographes were removed till cars where sold. It was the buyers choice.There were still only 33, are any left?
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we cant find a VIN record of which cars were used.
If you can shed some light on the VIN records, I can sure shed some light on the survivors. |
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Not long ago I noticed a white '93 on sleezBay that was advertised as a "Parade Car" - I don't think it sold, so it probably will be back - we will have to see if it is one of the ones slowroll is speaking of... Can they be different colors than the "Pearl Red" of the Pace Car?
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As far as I know at this time, Cadillac did not give indy cars an RPO. Granted I just started looking in to it. I would expect at all cars to have 1 order number, and to be identical. Possible RPOs B46, SEO, 6Y1, V4J. 93 Allante was mid year intro paint code 84 wa 9976 color was new for 93. I think a may spend a little time and see what I can find.
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Fox, for all we know, your RED could be one of them. slowroll, I dont even know if all , most or any of these "parade" cars were released for-sale to the public. Someone that knew much of these facts choose to take the info with him to his grave. There was some talk about fears of having dis-honest folks "counterfeit" the cars with the knowledge of the VINs. Dont ask. IMO, Ilogical. |
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I know a guy who will paint "PACE CAR INDIANAPOLIS" on anything!
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ORIGINAL: hyperion I know a guy who will paint "PACE CAR INDIANAPOLIS" on anything! the actual INDY pace cars that Al C. prepared, had decals and not paint .. I believe. given time, i usually can find them for around $50. these are a bit picey, but i never fail to find them for the Allante or Corvette. ALLANTE PACE CAR DECALS I am on the road so i dont have a pic of the '93 Allante set, but here is a pic of a real 1986 Corvette set [IMG]local://upfiles/2893/6179038DDF544FB7906B84B8E092119C.jpg[/IMG] ============================================= http://www.geocities.com/johnsonindy500/index2.html a site of much trivia on the Indy 500 races .. As of January 1, 2008, this site will cover the Indianapolis 500 only. All other race info will be removed. ========================================== video of the last 7 laps, 1992 Indy 500 1992 INDY 500 |
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AHH! Obviously, the "decals" were the problem. GM wanted to get them off so cars could be shot off to dealers who possibly had already sold them. Not realizing of course that ten years down the road the cars would have been worth a few thousand more.
(Oh well, back to the paint shop where everyone can get an Allante "Pace" car, and who would really know the differance?) |
76th Indy 500 Pace Car Decals, 1993 Allante
Zinzin,
here are the 76th Indy 500 Pace Car Decals, used on the 1993 Allante. The set in this pic sold for around $60. I dont know how much they sold for at the GM parts counter where they were avail as recent as 4 years ago. When I bought the front bumper strip SS at my local Cadillac dealer, they still had some - 4 years ago. [IMG]local://upfiles/2893/38BD9BC2BBB64A268859AD8745CCB05A.jpg[/IMG] https://www.cadillacforum.com/upfile...8745CCB05A.jpg |
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GM really doesn't care whether decals were/are on car as long as dealer does not misrepresent car for profit...ie turning base mustangs in to GTs or SHELBYs, Any Vette into a special edition...indy pace,Z06,etc without disclosing car is a clone.Fraud is a major issue with any manufacture. Selling a collector series car as just a plain jane is up to the dealer. I found it disturbing to see what was likely a speedway car being turned into just a red Allante within hours of its arrival. I thought it should has been up to the BUYER including the the addition of anything, including front tag bracket. As I begin my quest I find it odd with all the hoopla over ending their absence at the Indy500, concidered to the US's PREMIER RACING EVENTand CADILLAC THE US's PREMIER CAR BUILDER. Cadillac did not rpo pace cars as limited edition, however the Allante was a limited production car which never reach the maximum of 5000 units. Its possible that cadillac felt all 93's or u84 cars were pace cars. I have read the 93 Allante was mearly a low production test bed for the "NORTHSTAR SYSTEM" which was to hit product during a few months into the regular 93 model year in the ETC and STS. That may have been the only reason the 93's were built.But I am still searching in regards to the original 33.
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ORIGINAL: slowroll GM really doesn't care whether decals were/are on car as long as dealer does not misrepresent car for profit...ie turning base mustangs in to GTs or SHELBYs, Any Vette into a special edition...indy pace,Z06,etc without disclosing car is a clone.Fraud is a major issue with any manufacture. Selling a collector series car as just a plain jane is up to the dealer. I found it disturbing to see what was likely a speedway car being turned into just a red Allante within hours of its arrival. I thought it should has been up to the BUYER including the the addition of anything, including front tag bracket. As I begin my quest I find it odd with all the hoopla over ending their absence at the Indy500, concidered to the US's PREMIER RACING EVENTand CADILLAC THE US's PREMIER CAR BUILDER. Cadillac did not rpo pace cars as limited edition, however the Allante was a limited production car which never reach the maximum of 5000 units. Its possible that cadillac felt all 93's or u84 cars were pace cars. I have read the 93 Allante was mearly a low production test bed for the "NORTHSTAR SYSTEM" which was to hit product during a few months into the regular 93 model year in the ETC and STS. That may have been the only reason the 93's were built.But I am still searching in regards to the original 33. to this day, no one can understand .. probably never will. the matter of being THE test bed, is of course, 100% correct but even more important, the start of the series in '87s was justified under the category of "test bed" for much of today's technology. |
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Oh hell, when I am describing my 87 to anyone, along with the Pina Farina bit and the airfreight to Detroit I always throw in that the Allante was used as a pace car at Indianapolis in 1993. Nuff said!
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ORIGINAL: hyperion Oh hell, when I am describing my 87 to anyone, along with the Pina Farina bit and the airfreight to Detroit I always throw in that the Allante was used as a pace car at Indianapolis in 1993. Nuff said! maybe we can get Bill to make Excel patterns for all the Indy 500 from 1987 to 1993, we print them out and give them out to our Allatne friends. lets see .. 70th Indy to 76th Indy ? maybe we can trwo in the '94 .. 77th Indy? |
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hadnt seen any for a awhile .. but there they are again. it is about the worse picture one can ever expect .. but .. something is something... they are now asking $120 [IMG]local://upfiles/2893/16815EA4E28647D89E60571A82F5A836.jpg[/IMG] |
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