done with my 93?
 

A little while ago I got a call from Pa. I have been offered 10k for my 93 allante. She is pretty with a fresh 2000 engine put in under warranty, chrome wheels etc. If I do it I will be without a caddy for the first time since 1994. This is hard to pass up, I told them I would give the guy an answer by Monday 5pm. It wasn't for sale but .........................damn....................

RE: done with my 93?
 

"With baited breadth!"

RE: done with my 93?
 

$10k ? With the chromes and new engine .. and .. knowing how you maintain cars, not enough.

I say that with your knowledge of how brutal I am on prices of these cars .. not enough.
Even in ebay, you get more.

For that, wait a few more years and it will get there .. but .. you will still have it 'til then.

Of course, if the guy is family .. well .. it might be just right.
Bill w'be happy to get a 2nd one at that price .. one to either side of his Vette.

RE: done with my 93?
 

Say it ain't so G.A.R.Y.

RE: done with my 93?
 

G. are you able to replace that vehicle, for 10Kand have the same high you have now with that vehicle, sitting in your drivway?

i did'nt think so.........
rickyd

RE: done with my 93?
 

The guy just made it 10500. He want's the car so bad. It's not like I need the money but I said okay. She is gone, but she has a good owner. He knows he can come to this site for any questions. He has monitored AN for a little while now in case he ended up with an allante, but didn't like the atmosphere. Car already has fsm in trunk, really doesn't need a thing.

My plan was to trade the vette in for a z06 but maybe now a zr1 if I can get one.

Maybe now I will take the extra cash and look in to an sts or something.

This is worst then when I sold the el camino. I will be in mourning for the next few days.

RE: done with my 93?
 

now g, there is an idea.............now that wouldbe the "V"?right?
you didn't mention what your plans were in your first post...hehe
anyway congrads on the sale..... it sounds like you'll put the $$ to good use
rick

RE: done with my 93?
 

GARY -

Well, at least you won't miss it too much - when was the last time you actually had it out?

Cars are meant to be driven... hopefully the new owner will get lots of enjoyment from it.

look at an BMW M6 convertible before latching onto that rather ugly zr1 (When will GM realize that if they appeal to something other than graying, want to recapture their youth, men on viagra, they might sell some corvettes to someone less than 50 years old), I was in a beautiful black on black M6 the other day - an incredible car. Unless GM rewraps the zr1 into something less juvenile than a 25+ body style that was dated when it came out, why bother. Ohhh, I forgot you can see the intercooler through the 'window' on the hood of the 'vette - talk about boy wanna be... blick.

Same price tag - $100,000 same top speed - 200+ (you need to remove the limiters from both cars).

No where near the same class.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1....f34.2.500.jpg
http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resou..._m6_neiman.jpg

RE: done with my 93?
 

Hey Foxpaws--bad mouth my Vette, bad mouth my Allante-but for us 60+ers, please watch the little blue pill comments -we get sensitive!

Damn- Bob Rich sold his '93, Rickko sold his '93, G.A.R.Y. sold his '93. What's goin on here?

RE: done with my 93?
 

Fox, your words ring true. I haven't driven her much but have owned her since 1994. Part of the family, even though I only see her once or twice a year. She will be the daily driver for the new owner except in the winter. I just wanted an American product. I will have to give the m6 another look see I guess. Time is on my side and these guys aren't selling a lot of cars right now. Will need to make the best deal over time. Thanks for the imput, I am not feeling so good right now, crap!@!@!

Ps Dear Wild Bill

Miami made the bracket as a 7th seed.
I never taken the pill, but I have heard that if you get one for more then 4 hours see a doctor, or call the emperors club.

Pss

will change signature soon, tired of lookin at it anyway.

RE: done with my 93?
 

Bill,

are you keeping up ? Tom is also dumping his '93.
in fact, the '93 is a most popular model in ebay this month.

they are all on a rush to get something before they are worth only $3,000.
at this rate of selling its gonna be a buyers market headed for the under $5,000.

hey .. have I been wrong yet?

RE: done with my 93?
 

Stealth,
You've been right on target re: pricing for quite awhile. Yeh, i saw that T. Rohner had a '93 on ebay, he had in in the classifieds for $9995 obo-130,000 miles!

GARY, What do we call you now, certainly not 93allanteragtop no mo. Saw your team made the dance, I think I'll even follow them closely.

Foxpaws, damn good looking BMW but I see GARY in the GM toy.

RE: done with my 93?
 

Bill,

this is more like it:

a gorgeous 76,000 mile California car, Polo Green '93 for around $7,000

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/car/606209578.html

RE: done with my 93?
 

Are Allante prices in California the lowest in the Country? I hope so.

A great read on cars as investments on St. Paddy day on my way to Irish Bob's for my first green beer of the day.

Damn- Bob Rich sold his '93, Rickko sold his '93, G.A.R.Y. sold his '93. What's goin on here?

Expert lists 6 car models he says you can bank on

Published:Monday, March 17, 2008

Expert lists some cars that he considers good investments.



NORFOLK, Va. — It’s tax time, that time of year when we reconsider how we spend, save and invest our money. Considering the stock market’s current malaise, you might want to try a different investment with your cash.

How about buying an older car? If you pick the right one, it could be a sound investment that will appreciate over time.

David Kinney, a Virginia journalist who follows the auction markets of older cars as publisher of “Cars That Matter Price Guide,” offered his advice. He put together a list of cars that were no older than 30 years, could be bought for mad money and could yield a profit when it’s time to sell.

“I will guarantee that every one of these cars have done better than the stock market has since the beginning of the year,” Kinney said.

Here are six models Kinney calls good investments, along with his comments:

TOYOTA SUPRA, 1986-92

“A car that people are going to want to have. It has a reputation as a well-built and sexy car in its own way. Everyone had a friend who owned one.”

What’s to like: “The styling stands up to time. They’re relatively forgotten, and you haven’t seen many of them at all.”

But beware: “Many rusted, or are all used up. You’ll have to look for the little old lady one, but they’re out there. Also, turbos back then were very fragile, more so than today.”

Price: $1,625 to $7,200

FORD THUNDERBIRD, 2002-05

“They were meant for cruising. The amenities are more important than the power. I don’t think people were buying them to be Corvettes.”

What’s to like: “Service and parts are easy to find. Very distinctive, great colors and pretty luxurious. Expensive when new, these cars were bought by owners who were careful with them.”

But beware: “There was a period when they made a ton of Thunderbirds, and they’re still not collectible.”

Price: $13,500 to $29,700

CADILLAC ALLANTE, 1987-93

“There are things to be said for the early ones, although most people prefer the later ones because of the Northstar V8.”

What to like: “I have seen some price increases on those recently. Just slightly. But there’s more collector interest in them now.”

But beware: “Hardtops are not interchangeable year to year. You buy one of these cars and put a hardtop on it and most people take them off and never use them again.”

Price: $3,500 to $14,000

MERCEDES-BENZ 300D TURBODIESEL WAGON, 1979-85

“This will blow you away: I have now seen two of them that are being restored for major collections.”

What’s to like: “They could be nice cars. They’re really well-screwed together and have a lot of potential upside. They sold a lot of them new.”

But beware: “They have rust problems, and every one you find has a quarter-million miles on them. They’re expensive to buy, run and restore.”

Price: $1,350 to $6,200

TRIUMPH TR8, 1980-81

“They had V8 engines, which is very rare in a British sports car. This is the only place left in the world where they’re not being bid up.”

What’s to like: “That styling, which was so polarizing, is coming back into style. They do have ugly tartan interiors, but that’s part of the period charm.”

But beware: “Stay away from coupes; convertibles are worth a lot more. Find one that hasn’t been played around with. The ones that are worth the most are ones that are stock.”

Price: $5,490 to $26,200

VOLKSWAGEN GTI, 1985-89

“You know, this is a car that has a great following and had a huge impact on the market; it redefined what a sports car was at the time.”

What’s to like: “Small, fast and nimble — they were aimed at and denoted youth. If you couldn’t buy one then, it’s a good time to buy one now.”

But be aware: “It’s hard to find one that hasn’t been highly modified or bitten by the tin worm.”

Price: $2,000 to $6,400

RE: done with my 93?
 

Bill, Fox,

I get it.I see where Fox is comming from, butwhen it comes down to making the final choice I want to get the biggest bang (stock)for the buck, which actually takes me back to the Z06. She's not the prettiest thing on the road but she is a beast, and I like my girls hot. Also like the MB s600 amg but different car altogether and well over 100k. As you can see I'm wandering all over the place. When it happens it happens, you guys will be the first to know. With regards to the 10500 for my beautiful black allante, I will start looking at the sts-v and see how those guys are dealing right now. In the meantime driving my vette and Sam's volvo will do.

RE: done with my 93?
 

GARY,

Well, we all know that Corvettes = Midlife crisis -

So, is your trophy wife going to be Kathrine Zeta Jones or Anna Nichol Smith?

RE: done with my 93?
 

Fox,

some of us were into bikes, Vettes and muscle cars scene long ago in our 20s,
way before the so called midlife crisis and long ago before anyone ever heard of little
blue pills. forget N.Smith ... but Zeta Jones .. ahhhhh yes.

heck, except for your mentioning, i had never connected the two and surely didnt
know it was blue .. thanks a lot Bill.

RE: done with my 93?
 

I'm not sure I agree with your midlife crisis ID regarding the z06. Take a ride down on SOBE and you will see many under 40 cruising in the z06 and vipers and of course the higher end autos. My only care is HP and 0 to 60 and the z06 can be had for about 72-75k and without too much trouble you could be looking at well over 600hp.

RE: done with my 93?
 

GARY -

Since you seem to only want to look at American Iron...

Corvette ZR1
600 HP
595 lb.-ft. of torque
dual transmision
0 to 60 in 3.0 even seconds
supercharged

2009 Dodge Viper ACR
678 hp
645 lb-ft torque
0 to 60 mph: 2.8 sec
straight engine

even a straight viper - (not the ACR) will keep even with a ZR1 - and take the z06

And yes, even I in younger years suc***bed to a 'vette - 71 LS5 stringray - one of the happiest days of my life is when I sold the vette and the guy that came with it... and bought my Porsche

RE: done with my 93?
 

Well I've been thinking I don't need two convertibles so was thinking about sellin the Vette or the allante. Brake issue is getting to be such a PITA that for just a moment I was thinking of a "93. Stoulda given GARY a two for one deal he couldn't refuse. I've owned Vettes of 4 different generations but no c5 or c6 but gotta agree with GARY that $ for $ the Vette is still the way to go especially if a daily driver.

Hope someday to be with ya all in some little bar from Key Largo to Key West stacking beer cans with Fox's lil umbrellas in them. Fox just don't ask about my '71 Mille Miglia Red LS6 unless you get kicks from seeing an old man crying crocodile tears!

RE: done with my 93?
 

Said it before, I'll say it again. Y'all fly in to Ft. Liquordale, a limo will pick you up. One night at my house next few days in the keys. Zal, Fox, bill, even ole Zin, more then welcome. Hell, might as well get katzman and slowroll. Wanna see how good you techs are after I got you all liquored up.

Fox, American iron yes, Dodge no. There is another factor that corvette will retain more then 50% of value after three years, afterall I won't keep it forever.

RE: done with my 93?
 

Bill,

one ragtop is not enough. I got several and it feels just right - for now.
only one is a 4 seater, the others are 2 seaters.

I went through the Vette stage long ago. You all know where my taste is, shown in this thread.
https://www.cadillacforum.com/m_18401/tm.htm


I enjoy the comfort of the Allante and endure the pains that hit now and then. I love the comfort
and power of the MK VII LSC even more, but there are lots of them here and a ragtop it is not.

I enjoy driving a car that no one in town has .. uniqueness is important in a world of clones.
ME dont fit any mold, by any means, or at least I like to think that way.

As much as I love the new Vettes, there are lots and lots of them here, ditto on all the Porsches,
BMW's, MB's, Audi, Z cars, Chargers, Lincolns, etc .. etc ... I can count a dozen of each of those
every hour on Main St here. Allantes ..nope, not a one unless mine is out of the cave.

you can learn a lot about me & cars in this thread:
https://www.cadillacforum.com/m_2019..._3/key_/tm.htm

So Bill, no .. IF I had a Vette at this point, I would NOT sell it unless I needed cash to feed the kids,
maybe not even then .. we can still go hunting. The Allante .. well, as unique as they are, there are
lots of them FOR-SALE, cheap .. a great time to upgrade if you so wish to do that.



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Maybe we should create a Vette Owners that once owned an Allante section or Allante Owners that once owned a Vette section ?

RE: done with my 93?
 

Well, GARY - hot American Iron that isn't Dodge -

We are moving out of your price range then... GT40s Saleens...

Corvettes do give a lot of bang for the buck -if only they didn't look so, well, Corvette like.

And woo hoo - Fort Liquordale - home of tiny umbrellas... and tiny bikinis... and after too many tiny umbrellas - no tiny bikinis;)

Do we get to start drinking in the limo?

RE: done with my 93?
 

Allow me to organize what I just read


dang .. i'm now in a cold sweat ...

RE: done with my 93?
 

You betchem red rider!!

RE: done with my 93?
 

hey Bill,

another car w/o the grill pimple ...
its catching on.

picture provided by a member .. thanks


https://www.cadillacforum.com/upfile...3BAE58C6A7.jpg

RE: done with my 93?
 

Put the pimple in the glove box if you're worried about someone insisting on originality before making you an outlandish offer.

Love the painted ground effects but do not care for the red grille. Aren't opinions wonderful?

RE: done with my 93?
 

By George .. I think you really got it.

Often, Cadillac is about NO CHOICE .. one must remember that Pinifarina had NO CHOCE on the grill,
well damn it, WE DO.

OFF with the pimple, OFF with the chrome .. i'm thinking BLACK .. Grill with NO pimple in Black.
I gave up on originality .. hmmm .. wait .. did I ever really have that attitude?
I'm not much of a chrome / gold guy .. so i like the OEM rims, but we are talking going GLOSS BLACK with
GLOSS SILVER outer rim edge. Maybe I can get someone to do the Adobe thing and see how they look.

my kid says that a "satin black" would look good and Stealty on my triple black .. under consideration.

then again, i cant go as far as this guy in his Bahama Blue .. maybe if he took off the pimple and put the top down .. After carefully looking at the pic, I see why he went BAHAMA .. makes him forget the snow.

have you noticed that a lot of the Allante colors dont look so hot with a hard top? I think the Blacks, the Montana Blue, the Polo Green, the Metalic Blue, the pearl white, look good in a hard top. None of them look good with the grill badge.


https://www.cadillacforum.com/upfile...18D2381D5B.jpg








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RE: done with my 93?
 

from another era .. a note to me ...

something I have noticed, the transfer of the '93s .. yet to no avail, I have tried to understand.
I also see more trashed '91s and '92s than any other year model, more '91 / '92 at the salvage yards
than any other model.

the '93 owners are the most populous and the loudest on the old argument of the best car but trade their cars more often, the '92 / '91 become donors the most often.

what is noted in these thoughts is happening more now than ever. Difference is, there were more '93s made
than both '91s & '92s put together, with the '92s having the lowest qty of any year at 1,933 units - a handful
of those VIN "10" hard top cars and fewer being Triple Black "10" cars.

If one follows this subject trend to its logical end, the market will run out of '92 much sooner than '93 cars.
Will that mean higher prices and becoming a collectible? Probably not .. it just means they will not be out
there for-sale.



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RE: done with my 93?
 

This thread has been running long enough without my two cents worth. First, I bought my car because it was a cadillac. I would have been happier if it had been made entirely in the U.S. but the italy thing is a good conversation piece. Grille "dimple?" I would never think of changing. It's "Cadillac." (Only thing I have added to my caris a gold Cadillac medallion to my center brake light) As far as development in the series, I would still take my 87 over any of the others. Of course the 4.5's added more horsepower but I believe you would have found no owners of the 4.1's looking for "more horses" in this car. Phase two tops? just a more complex system to "bugger" up an already badly designed operation. Now we get to the "93's" NOW we finally get to a Cadillac, with Cadillac seats and comfort. More Cadillac than sportscar so something else had to be added and they went "under the hood" to do so. First off, there go the brakes! Admittedly one of the best systems in the industry as far as performance but becoming quite troublesome with some mention of "class suits." So back to standard Cadillac brakes. Now we throw in the Northstar. Not because the car needs all that power but because it is the prettiest power plant under the hood of any U.S. car. (Look at that beautifull V12, Jaguar fooled with for a while.)
So there you go. One other opinion. On my car, I dislike the soft top and the placement of the sideview mirrors. I could probably get used to those mirrors if my car was a daily driver but no amount of time in the car would change my opinion of the top!

RE: done with my 93?
 

I like my '88 with the 4100, feels like plenty of power until a 6-cyl Mustang leaves you in the dust .. aghghghgh .. so, one learns to not get pulled into such competition, knowing you gonna lose. The 4100 has plenty to keep up with most, plenty to crack the triple digit mph, just not enough to dust many. The Northstar? May I refrain from comments on that one ? i see the N* as designed to be "untouchable" to a backyard mechanic.

I dont even mind the Cadillac badge on the tail light, or on the wheel centers, but those lines on the grill were not meant to be disturbed .. Pinifarina knew that, but GM stood firm. Nothing a screwdriver cant correct.

I dont even mind the soft top operation .. I simply dont ever use it with the exception of getting caught in the rain , as it happened a couple days ago.

I love the BOSCH III ABS on that '88 and absolutely swear by it. So I gotta change the fluid on it every other year, no big deal .. you see, I crammed a two Stangs under other cars, twice - once my fault, once not my fault, so you see, I can appreciate the value of the Bosch III stopping ability. I do drive cars to their potential. My Lincoln MK VIIs also had ABS and didnt appreciate the trumping when activated. (TO those of you that dont have a BOSCH III ABS, there is NO THUMPING, it just stops the car now). I do love the 275 hp they come with.

Now we have the monster complaints for my '88:
1. BOSE - 100 Watts on a convertible? What were they thinking? I upgraded to 200 W and still, lacking.
2. VISORS - That is it .. I damn had it .. enough with the damn potato chip clips, enough with the busted map lights, enough with getting hit on the head .. ENOUGH .. ENOGU .. ENOUGH !
3. Weak transmission even with a 4100 engine, enough of the 440 turbo hydro transmission. Enough.

So .. Phase II, 1992 .. here I come.
1. BOSE 200 Watt still lacking, but there are such thing as aftermarket systems.
2. VISORS - WOW, they work normal.
3. The 4T60E transmission - undecided and withholding a review.

I still get left in the dust by Stangs but now they are of the GT 5.0 versions, the 6-cyl I can leave in the dust, most "tuners" dont have a clue or a chance.

I get to have what I like the best .. timeless automobile style, superb luxury, Cadillac comfort, Bosch III ABS, Kaiper Recaro, excellent handling, stable chassis at 100++ mph, large truck capacity (kid's cargo), a few thousand Phase I donors at waiting, inexpensive donor engines/transmissions .. the top is back there somewhere, should I need it.

Biggest concern, there are probably under 500 cars left of the 1992 vintage, so one has to count on the early models for parts .. it helps if one can make things work.

I am moving UP to the Phase II. For raw brute power, I got the '86 Stang and it sits 4.
I believe that I will be holding at this point.

RE: done with my 93?
 

Today, no matter what car you own and regardless of the price there will always be another on the road that can "dust you off."

RE: done with my 93?
 

Zin
How do you really feel about that top? Guys the term double nickel has new meaning as Mrs. Zin just celebrated that many years with the ZINZIN yesterday. Wish her the best!

Zal,

Used Ike's wunnerful interstate system to drive 75 miles yesterday to buy a pearl white Phase 1 hardtop. Am ordering Fox's eyebolts from bosunsupplies.com. Don't know why except it was cheap ($415) and two turns away up the interstate. The hunt starts now. (Am prepared for a long hunt as wifey asked for no more than 2 toy cars in the drive-doesn't care what they are or what they cost--she's right I'd have it looking like a junkyard w/o her). Will look for either the right '92 or '93. Will take my time like you did but this is the next toy.

G.A.R.Y.

please tell me the Pa. garage (barn ) queen wasn't pearl white.

RE: done with my 93?
 

Barn would be correct. Pearl white incorrect. She had no top so she was my nubian nude.
Wanted to take a look at the Monzo polo green 93 for sale but decided that I will probably never own another allante.

RE: done with my 93?
 

We all move on after a while, but interested in why not! sell high (10.5k) buy low (5.9k).

RE: done with my 93?
 

Sell high buy low was the only reason I gave it any thought. However, I will be looking at newer caddy's and perhaps zr-1 or perhaps I will find the body to put the motor in I have laying around. Today going to Dania Beach marina to look at a boat. Something else I thought I would never buy again. As you can see, I have lots of stuff to play with or think about other then another allante. Remember SNL more cow bell? With me it's more HP and the allante did not satisfy in that area, although I had her for over 13 years.

RE: done with my 93?
 

Gary made a good point, sometimes is actually moving UP.

The Allante has been a hold point for me. There are a few reasons for that hold point, some are
private, some are public knowledge. The one you may be familiar is where I stepped DOWN, in the
interest of raising my kids .. not from a two seater, but from a two wheel world into a ragtop world.

I drool to the time where I can once again move back UP .. if that is ever possible. The day that
happens, the cave will have a new resident and the Allante will .. well, most likely, move on?

As to anyone's chasing any Allante, this note below written to me by someone (if he chooses to, he can
swing by and tag it) you know very well, says a lot. I believed that since the dawn of my Allante relationship,
I been saying something a bit similar, and to this day, holds true.

To many, the Allante is a toy - I dont quite get that.
For me, to the day, the Allante is what it has always been .. basic transportation.
I do have a toy, put about 500 miles in 18 months and needs some serious TLC,
but it is definitely a toy, not a Cadillac.

One final note ... I have noticed an interesting pattern.
People own an Allante for 10+ years, talk about it as if it was, sacred? Then, unexpected, out of
nowhere they sell it, they part it, and they vanish not to be seen or heard from again? How many times
have I read the words " lost interest" .. LOST INTEREST .. ? At least, when the time comes for me to
move UP, you wont hear that, simply cuz it doesnt apply. It will simply be a chapter in car ownership.
Read 9 lines up.

RE: done with my 93?
 

Actually - I don't think the Allante started out as 'basic' transportation - not with a price tag of over $50,000 in the late 80s and early 90s.

To each their own as far as toys go (heck, I have a friend that has a great little Gremlin - complete with a 304 v8 and the 'coveted' Levi interior - and he loves his toy) - yes, mine will move up as well - when the time/money is right - but, for now, the allante is fun.

It's production line partner will be fun too... eventually. And far less than Gary's zr-1, for a lot more 'wow' factor. I dare anyone to park a zr-! next to a Testarossa and even notice there is another car other than the Italian...

Plus, there is all this anxiety to get the allante to 'classic' status - heck, mine is only 15 years old. We should be happy they are already showing up at Me***s, RMs - and other car auctions... That is a pretty fast 'show up' at those prestigious auction houses... I would imagine that most american cars have to wait longer than that -

RE: done with my 93?
 

Fox,

this dont sound collectible.

https://www.cadillacforum.com/m_21036/tm.htm

I'm not sure there is another car out there with as much hype ..
whatever it was trying to be at its dawn, at $50K+, it is no longer.

However, free thinking is OK, and since money talks, a fat check is of course acceptable
in trade for any of my .. err .. collectibles! I would say that in this case, a five digit check
speaks loudly.