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markbowman3 07-06-2011 05:18 PM

DeVille with intermittent over heating problem.
 
I have a 2000 DeVille with an intermittent over heating problem. It has a new water pump, radiator, and thermostat (replaced three times). The cooling system has been flushed, pressure tested with dye and no leaks were found. There are no traceable coolant gasses in the exhaust and it’s not losing water either. Any ideas on what could be wrong?

etbracket 07-06-2011 07:19 PM

Are the fans coming on?

markbowman3 07-07-2011 01:39 AM

Yes, both fans are working like they should.

etbracket 07-07-2011 05:30 AM

Do you have coolant or water in system? How is your pressure cap?

markbowman3 07-07-2011 11:37 AM

Uhhhhh----yeah! LOL
I guess you just wanted to cover everything!:D

The cap is original but it looks like it is okay. I have taken it to two different shops. One is a NAPA shop and the other is a guy that I have been taking my cars to for 25+ years. I actually moved away from his area 15 years ago but I still use him and he is 72 miles from me. I trust him, can you tell? Anyway, we are all stumped. It would be different if it always ran a little hot but it doesn't. Originally the water pump was leaking, so it was replaced along with the thermostat. Then I found a small leak at the top passenger side of the radiator. I took it to my favorite mechanic (72). He flushed the cooling system and replaced the thermostat again (at no additional cost) because he said the other one was cheap and he didn’t want to take a chance with it. So after the flush was done, the new radiator was installed. As I was driving home, about 40 miles out the gauge went to one bar above normal. I let it cool and then checked the water level and it was fine. Drove another 5 miles or so and it went back up again but before I could get pulled over it went back down to normal. It did the same thing the rest of the way home. I took it out and drove it again the next day and it was fine. I drove it another week and still everything was fine. I took a vacation trip and put 2,206 miles on it (@ 23 mpg average) and everything was fine. Two days later it was back at it again. That’s when I took it back to NAPA and had the pressure test done and they tested the exhaust gasses, replaced the thermostat AGAIN just to play it safe. I drove the car that night and put another 120+ miles on it and all was well. Got up the next morning and made it all of 7 miles and it started to show a little warm again. This time two bars above normal. I had it taken to NAPA again (I love Triple A) and they let it sit and run for three hours in 90+ temps and can’t get it to move above normal. I think I have officially driven them crazy with this Caddy. Can you guess who is next? LOL
Could it really be something as simple as the cap?:confused:
Thanks for your replies!

etbracket 07-07-2011 06:45 PM

Well i meant to ask if you had ANTI FREEZE or just water in the system. When the car gets hot are you climbing hills, a/c running or sitting in traffic? Has it actually overheated?

markbowman3 07-08-2011 03:36 AM

Anti freeze mixed with water and it has happened on hills and flat roads. It has never overheated!

etbracket 07-08-2011 05:45 AM

Did you test to for exhaust gasses in the coolant? I see you wrote they tested for coolant coming out of exhaust. To me it sounds like a possible head gasket problem. You replaced everything that there is to replace. You sure the fans are working properly? Are they coming on when they should be?

markbowman3 07-09-2011 12:13 AM

They didn't say that they had tested for exhaust gasses in the coolant but I will check with them. If that was a problem and if I let the motor run with the radiator cap off, would I see air bubbles coming up through the coolant? The fans have been checked and I have been told that they are working properly. I can see for myself that the come on before it reaches the normal operating temp. If it was a problem with the head gasket, wouldn't that create a continuous problem?

I picked it back up from NAPA today; they had to replace the rotors that they installed less than three months ago because they had warped. I went ahead and picked up a new radiator cap ($4.79). I am REALLY hoping that it is something this simple. I’ll never let them live it down! LOL--- I’ll see how things go!
Thanks again for taking your time to try to help me out!
Mark

markbowman3 07-12-2011 12:04 AM

So far so good!

etbracket 07-12-2011 05:38 AM

Good to hear.

markbowman3 07-14-2011 09:56 PM

I have put another 400+ miles on it and everything is good so far. Thanks again for the tip about the cap. I am sure that you just saved me a lot of money.

92_Daddylac 07-15-2011 06:42 AM

im actuallly giong to be buying a 98 SLS just like mine Color and all for 400 bucks. because its over heating, the guy thinks the head gaskets are bad. so im going to buy it and see what is really wrong with it and try to fix it if not i got me a parts car. He has been bugging me for 6months to buy it off him cuz i told him i would buy it if the price was right. He went from $1000 to 400 in that time frame haha. lets hope its just a small issue like a cap. But anyways good to see your cady is back on the road and hope all goes good for you from now on.

markbowman3 07-22-2011 12:15 AM

Well, it looks like it wasn’t the cap after all. I put another couple of hundred miles on it and it is back to the same ole temp issues. I have figured out how to get around this little problem. I am putting my 98 Cherokee back on the road. It might have 250,000 + miles on it but I can put in a remanufactured engine, rebuild the trans mission and transfer case for what it would cost to go through the engine on my DeVille. My Jeep is just as clean as the Caddy. Not a speck of rust and the paint still looks great! I’ll keep the Caddy and worry about the aggravation some other time. It runs too strong and looks too good to get rid of it. I just need a break from the stress of it. The motor from S&J, for the Jeep, should be here on Wednesday and everything should be rebuilt and reinstalled in a week and then it is beach time. I’ll forget all about the Caddy after about ten minutes of driving on the sand looking for a good fishing spot. LOL
Daddylac,
I look forward to reading your post about the outcome of your 98 SLS.
etbracket,
Thanks again for your replies but it is time for me to walk away from the Caddy for a while and have some summertime fun!
Catch y’all later!
Mark

markbowman3 08-26-2011 01:12 AM

After getting my Jeep back on the road it was time to get the Caddy rolling again. My problem has been solved. It was one of the three fan relays. I replaced all three so I am sorry to say that I am not sure which one it was. From what I understand these fans have three speeds. One relay kicks in for Idle in park, one more for driving and all three kick in for Idling in gear. Fixed for less than $75.00! :D

etbracket 08-26-2011 05:23 AM

Hmmm I think that was my first question when you had the problem. Im glad you have your car back.

markbowman3 08-26-2011 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by etbracket (Post 42953)
Hmmm I think that was my first question when you had the problem.


So true!
They were coming on but I had no clue about the three relays/speeds. Thanks for your help!


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