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RE: Phase 1 hardtops - 3/20/2007 10:32:12 PM
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wcoates
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This is getting a lot of play yonder! I have just heard of it for a low cost conversion fron phase 1 to a 2 or 3!
I did it the way described here on johnny monzo's site http://allante.4t.com/custom2.html
Instead of moving the latches and modifying the rollers, this method is easy. The latches stay where they are.(cut off the "pegs" off the latch, and provide a point for the hook to catch onto by replacing a visor mounting bolt. you have to modify the weatherstripping bracket either way). I can give more details if you want. Didn't have to buy any kit. It worked for m
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RE: Phase 1 hardtops - 3/29/2007 5:24:47 PM
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Stealth
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you have more details than what is posted there?
you got pictures? i like to get them.
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This is getting a lot of play yonder! I have just heard of it for a low cost conversion fron phase 1 to a 2 or 3!
I did it the way described here on johnny monzo's site http://allante.4t.com/custom2.html
Instead of moving the latches and modifying the rollers, this method is easy. The latches stay where they are.(cut off the "pegs" off the latch, and provide a point for the hook to catch onto by replacing a visor mounting bolt. you have to modify the weatherstripping bracket either way). I can give more details if you want. Didn't have to buy any kit. It worked for m
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RE: Phase 1 hardtops - 3/30/2007 5:26:14 AM
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RE: Phase 1 hardtops - 3/30/2007 5:37:29 AM
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wcoates
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I confused moderator man!
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RE: Phase 1 hardtops - 4/1/2007 11:28:35 AM
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Stealth
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Bill,
the engineer in me cannot be at peace.
may i ask questions?
- what is the spec on the screw? after all, it is assigned to hold
the top down and TIGHT at any speed with minimum lateral
flexing - right?
- as i have no doubt the design is fine for the standard 65mph,
has anyone done a evaluation for triple digit speeds the cars
are capable to ran at? will the top stay down against the
weatherstip as the lift pressure rises on the top or will wind
catch its lip and pull it off?
- has anyone evaluated the lateral force on the screw if you are
crusing at 80 mph and gets pounded by the wind of an 18-wheeler
going the other way at 80mph? i would consider that scenerio a
likely and probable event.
- the screw attaches to the visor plate on existing threads meant
to hold a 12 oz visor. is there a NUT on the backside of the plate
to help hold on to the screw ?
for those that have no clue what this thread is about:
there were 3 different designs of the tops.
- Phase I (1987 to 1990 1/2),
- Phase II ( 1990 1/2 to 1992)
- Phase III (1993)
the Phase I cars had HARD TOPS as standard issue,
the II & III cars, hard tops were optional.
20 years later, everyone seems to want a hard top
and guess what is available? thereby, the "convertions"
the hard top in pic is a Phase I being mounted on a Phase II car.
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RE: Phase 1 hardtops - 4/1/2007 5:48:34 PM
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Stealth
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i understand it is called the Hard Top BARN JOB? 4 steps to the "Barn Job"?
1st, You need to remove the medal bracket on the under side of the front of the top. Its under the weather stripping. Then you have to cut it to fit around the pull down latches on the top of the phase 2 windshield
2, You have to remove the latches on the top, and cut and file down the locking pins (this is where the pins go into the hole at the top of the windshield header at the visors
3, On both outer sides of the visors, there are small plastic covers that cover the screws that hold up the visors. We remove the covers and the one screw on each side (the far outer ones) Drill hole in cover and install a new flat head bolt. So when your done, you will only see a smooth round flat bolt that can be painted to match.
4, On the back bottom of the top, where the top hits the boot, we install a single sided foam tape that keeps the rivets from scratching the boot.
5, Ok one more step, It seams to be that most people are concerned about the weather-stripping on the 93s because of the vent windows, so far we did not have any problems with leaking. If you do you can always build it up with black silicone caulk
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I confused moderator man!
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Bill,
after looking at how people choose the $0.17 screw,
how it is fastened, the fit and look,
and all those items i asked above,
i know my preference continues to be a '92
with a proper hard top. this topic didnt change my
preference.
me likes you. me also thinks you drive no so fast.
be carefull about speed with hard top,
be even more carefull in two lane roads ..
that be the advice from concerned friend.
if Brian saw this he be recommending suitcase latches
to hold down the front of the top.
who ever said that the two mid-ship hooks, behind the doors
can hold the top .. .. err .. .. no no no, i gotta be nice.
simply remember that we have seen proper tops come off
when slapped by a 18-wheeler going the other way at less
than 80 mph
remember, that Challenger STS-51 blew up due to a cheap
o-ring seal Tiokol choose to use.
sometimes little cheap items are most important.
BTW, do meet Katz, our moderator and resident CPA ....
Katz, Bill is a member of your proffession ...
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RE: Phase 1 hardtops - 4/7/2008 3:05:49 PM
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wcoates
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off the subject just a tad, but do we have documented anywhere just how many hardtops there are in existence. '87'89 are equal to total production. I've heard 630 for the '93s between factory and dealer installed. That leaves phase IIs as the missing link. any way ro check?
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RE: Phase 1 hardtops - 4/7/2008 5:15:52 PM
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Stealth
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off the subject just a tad, but do we have documented anywhere just how many hardtops there are in existence. '87'89 are equal to total production. I've heard 630 for the '93s between factory and dealer installed. That leaves phase IIs as the missing link. any way ro check?
Phase I cars are being terminated at an ever increasing rate. Easily, that has now reached 4 cars per week.
Since 100% of all Phase-I cars came with hard tops and rarely does the hard top get damaged, mainly because it is rarely on the car, there are a lot of hard tops sitting in rafters, a lot of them. At one point, there were over 10,000 Phase I hard tops. Today, between all year models, there arent that many Allantes left running. Today, there are more Hard Tops than surviving cars.
Assume that this year, another 200 Phase-I hard tops will be staying behind while the car goes to Allante heaven. At some point, as the demand dries up, the Phase-I HT market started to take a dive.
In 2004, the "its a great deal" price was $500. We are now seeing them in the $100 to $200 range.
Again, what was the question?
Did you notice something?
A total of 21,431 cars made .. or pretty close to that. +/- 5.
About 1/4 were PHASE-III cars, 1993
About 1/4 were PHASE-II cars, 1990.5, 1991, 1992, of which about 800 units were "10" series Hard Top cars.
About 1/2 of the grand total were PHASE-I cars, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, all 10,000+ units with Hard Tops.
About 1/10 were PHASE-II 1992s
of that, about 230 were of he "NU10xxxx" series, so around 230 of 1992 PHASE-II Hard Top cars?
About 1/7 were PHASE-II 1991s
of that, maybe 320 were of the "MU10xxxx" series, so around 320 1991 PHASE-II Hard Top cars?
You got all that?
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by Allantesource
04-07-08
OEM Phase 2 hardtops do not have power latches like the convertible tops. They have a tool to turn a latch mechanism about 90 degrees to latch or unlatch the front. There is no way to tell exactly how many Phase 2 hardtops were sold, because some were dealer installed. There is also no exact tally of 1990.5 models with Phase 2 tops.
According to Cadillac, 329 was the number of 1991 Allante's that had factory hardtop VIN numbers.
For 1992, it was 232.
It appears that about 550 hardtop Allante's were made in the 1990 model year. Perhaps about 250 of them were Phase 2, so with that assumption a little over 800 Phase 2 hardtop cars were produced.
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< Message edited by Stealth -- 4/8/2008 12:42:37 AM >
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