well fox, you are, of-course, welcome ..
for a moment, i almost called you .. D**** ..
THAT darn Stealth .. always http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/smilies/stirthepot.gif ....
picture problem? shoot me the links (PM) or email the pics, fix it i wll.
yesterday was a particularly bad day for this site. I dont yet have the specifics
but there seems to have been a meltdown with the servers, tech issues,
and various compatibility issues with browsers ..
seems that after numerous communications, things are back to normal ..
= = = = = = = = = =
now, i can give you the official [sm=welcomesign.gif] http://www.cadillacforum.com/upfiles/4132/02BF27565E4D42B79C646ED953A87BE4.jpg
do visit our Allante section, the FAQ section, and take a peek at the
FAQ MENU with factual contents 2nd to none.
u/p pictures of the mods on the Allante, please !
we do not frown on MODS here ...
WE LIKE TO SEE MODS !
The more the radical, the more we like them.
We even have a VEHICULAR PROJECT section ...
http://www.cadillacforum.com/forumid_61/tt.htm
However, your being an Allante victim, you can also do it on the Allante section.
Just click on MY signature BANNER, down at the bottom of any post of mine,
and you shall be swiftly transported there.
.
foxpaws
08-12-2007, 12:46 AM
So, Stealth,
You really want to race... sweet cheeks?
Anytime...
So long as you don't have some deep dark secret in that garage of yours... I'll take on that Porsche Cabriolet you have tucked away any day - but, if it is a GT2 - well...
But, you know, I do love the old In 'N Out.....
Burgers - right - we are talking burgers here aren't we...;)
Stealth
08-12-2007, 09:48 AM
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
So, Stealth,
You really want to race... sweet cheeks?
Anytime...
So long as you don't have some deep dark secret in that garage of yours... I'll take on that Porsche Cabriolet you have tucked away any day - but, if it is a GT2 - well...
garage? havent you heard?
"THE CAVE" My Allante lives in a cave!
we are talking Allante vs Allante, Red vs Black
promise to leave that imaginary GT3 at home .. you did mean GT3, right?
I tried to race with the G.A.R.Y. but next thing i know,
it was no longer Allante vs Allante
sooo .. we are talking Allante vs Allante.
All your ponies wont help you running the Angeles Crest Hwy ...
It be all SKILL ! ! !
sort of a 10 mile Cannonrun ...
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
But, you know, I do love the old In 'N Out.....
Burgers - right - we are talking burgers here aren't we...;)
burgers? what is that?
fine, be that way ... toss in the vanilla creamy shake and its a deal !
[sm=guilty.gif]
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foxpaws
08-12-2007, 01:33 PM
GT2 - 0 to 60 - 3.77
GT3 - 0 to 60 - 4.5
Heck the Allante couldn't even get near 'em... either of them...
Your Allante lives in a cave? Poor thing...
But, about Angeles Crest Highway - give a girl chance - I'll take you on Independence Pass - I'll probably need that 12,000 + elevation to even out the odds....
19 miles to the summit from Aspen, and more curves than...
No In 'N Out joints here in Colorado - though I am sure we could come up with a creamy vanilla shake or two...
Especially since I am winning this one...cheeks...
G.A.R.Y.
08-12-2007, 02:38 PM
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
But, you know, I do love the old In 'N Out.....
Burgers - right - we are talking burgers here aren't we...;)
Oh boy!! Yeah right burgers of course.
Now my z06 that is on order will trash anything around 4 sec to 60.
76eldoragtop
08-12-2007, 02:43 PM
I think I'm gonna like it around here.
Stealth
08-12-2007, 04:07 PM
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
GT2 - 0 to 60 - 3.77
GT3 - 0 to 60 - 4.5
Heck the Allante couldn't even get near 'em... either of them...
Your Allante lives in a cave? Poor thing...
But, about Angeles Crest Highway - give a girl chance - I'll take you on Independence Pass - I'll probably need that 12,000 + elevation to even out the odds....
19 miles to the summit from Aspen, and more curves than...
No In 'N Out joints here in Colorado - though I am sure we could come up with a creamy vanilla shake or two...
Especially since I am winning this one...cheeks...
ahh no poor thing here .. my Black Stealth unit loves the cave .. been there for 4 years and sneaks out unseen at dusk.
4.5 .. 3.77 ? 0 to 60mph?
what is that with engine screaming around hairpin turns, 12 ft wide road, 400ft off-road drops, gravel covered tar mat,
and running straights of 45 yards?
we need acceleration rating of 30 to 45 mph, stopping distances, tar mat friction, and above all -- SKILL !
primal skills to let it rip.
the Allante may not be able to smell the fumes off the GT's in Aspen, but the Angeles Crest Highway,
Independence Pass is not. Here, if you hit 60 mph, you die. You get a choice to plow into the hillside
or to jump the dirt shoulder on the outside, just before the 400 ft drop-off, hidden by the native weeds
and brush .
Did i mention the never ending sliding gravel, rocks, and occasional 4ft boulders off the mountain side?
ohh, and the "BLACK ICE" ?
Manual shifting the transmission is an absolute, non-negotiable necessity. Skill girl .. SKILL !
so ... In n out ?
or should i just flap my elbows ?
Stealth
08-12-2007, 04:12 PM
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
Now my z06 that is on order will trash anything around 4 sec to 60.
lets see .. you gona trash me with somethig you aint got?
hmmmmm .. how likely is that ?
ORIGINAL: 76eldoragtop
I think I'm gonna like it around here.
well, they do allow racing bikes on the A.C. Hwy ...
Dont worry, you dont need the brakes for the 1st 10 miles dowhill,
or for any of the uphill.
.
foxpaws
08-12-2007, 04:55 PM
ha - I laugh at your 400 foot drop offs - and you have a whole 12 feet to work with - i have been on the old Angeles Crest - you haven't seen nothing yet...
Independence pass is one of the highest paved roads in the united states - with 1000 foot drops... hairpins you can only dream off, and then there is the view...
Don't worry, I can out accelerate you - out turn you - and well, anything else you want to see if I can out (you fill in the blank) do you?
and, if the mystical Z06 shows up - well, I just guess we will see who flinches first...
ha - I laugh at your 400 foot drop offs - and you have a whole 12 feet to work with - i have been on the old Angeles Crest - you haven't seen nothing yet...
Independence pass is one of the highest paved roads in the united states - with 1000 foot drops... hairpins you can only dream off, and then there is the view...
Don't worry, I can out accelerate you - out turn you - and well, anything else you want to see if I can out (you fill in the blank) do you?
and, if the mystical Z06 shows up - well, I just guess we will see who flinches first...
http://www.independence-pass.com/overlook1.jpg
fox,
yes, of course i know you been ON the Angeles Crest -- but - - [sm=Flahssssss.gif]
we were talking about driving, racing .. no?
hey .. looky there .. they even have safety railings on that Indepence road .. aint that nice !
1,000 feet? what is your point? the 1,000 ft kills you more dead?
lets see .. fall 400ft vs fall 1,000ft .. oh i get it ... less pieces left to pickup and to bury?
you got me there! [sm=chairshot.gif]
hey .. looky here, nice road .. ohhhh nooo nooo NOOOOOOOO !
where are the safety railings? just a little hump of dirt? u gotta to be kidding .. [sm=icon_stickpoke.gif]
http://www.multimedialibrary.com/camping/San_Gabriels/image/imgp7083_print.jpg
much better, a rock wall to reshape your wheels .. cant wait! Assuming your car dont jump thw little wall? [sm=roll.gif]
http://www.multimedialibrary.com/camping/San_Gabriels/image/imgp6991.jpg
ok there is the destination .. if you make it that far. [sm=teetertooter.gif]
http://www.multimedialibrary.com/camping/San_Gabriels/image/imgp7143.jpg
http://www.multimedialibrary.com/camping/San_Gabriels/index.asp
looky here .. how is your brakes? your reflexes? [sm=lildevil.gif]
http://www.scvresources.com/highways/39_south_gate.jpg
[quote]rock chute, where material comes down year-round,” said Caltrans superintendent Armand Silva. The 2006 landslides occurred about a mile west of Vincent Gap, Silva said, and earlier landslides in 2005 happened sporadically for 10 miles along Highway 2 from that point to Islip Saddle.{/quote]
what was that about 60 mph and acceleration? [sm=icon_rofl.gif][sm=icon_rofl.gif][sm=icon_rofl.gif]
http://www.scvresources.com/highways/39_switchbacks.jpg
hey, you can alwasy go for swim after the car plunge?
http://www.spannertech.com/biking/bikeredbox2.jpg
fox, you come to the right place to enhance you road knowledge.
that in n out is sounding better all the time.
Gary, bring your '93 Allante .. keep the Z06 under the tent.
it aint built for this challenge. besides, they scratch sooo easy.
And it won't be long until you and that 4100 are gasping for air after what Independence Pass and I put you through...
No mercy...
Although sweet cheeks, you probably will be asking for more...
No, make that begging for more...[sm=drooldude.gif]
Stealth
08-12-2007, 11:16 PM
you said you got me on this .. fox? you said THAT ?
ohh ohh ohhhh, nice .. you do know how to find things. very nice indeed. i'm impressed.
i gather you can find the Angeles Crest then? my darn elbows were starting to flap . but now
i see, I best give the fox a 2nd chance.
i couldnt help notice in them pics of yours, the lack of rocks, the nice smooth tar mat.
nice conditions for a not so skilled .. nice indeed.
i couldnt help notice that after all that searching, you found ONE hairpin turn .. of 180 degrees,
nice but not much compared to the dozens of 270 degree hairpins at he Crest Hwy .. but still, nice.
dont forget, it snows in both .. [sm=forgetit.gif]
sorry .. you trying to choke my 4100 with O2 starvation?
http://procario.org/blosxom/Independence_pass_sign.jpg
is not the car i be worrying about, if i was you .. not the car.
fox, run the Crest so i can see where you need a bit of help ..
The Crest, where anything much over 45 mph, kills.
no doubt you saw this report ..scared you? dont rattle and shake, it is gettign safer.
as i said before, a Cannonball style race?
"The steepest grade of any part of the Angeles Crest - Angeles Forest Highway" is found just above I-210, as SR2 "climbs the alluvial slope at the foot of the San Gabriel Mountains". (GFG)
Unfortunately, this beautiful road is also the most dangerous road in California (http://www.aemj.org/cgi/content/abstract/7/5/484-b) "based on miles traveled"! This statement, was printed in the L.A. Times on 8/4/04, A14.
Beginning in June 1999, a special $100,000 state safety grant has produced intensive enforcement of all traffic laws on the Highway along a specially-patrolled 38 mile section. This includes zero tolerance for the speed limit, the failure to turn on headlights in the special safety zone, or going over the yellow line. As a result, 1400 tickets were written from June 1999 through May 2000, 5-10 times the normal amount, with most written on the weekends.
Deaths and injuries have dropped by a factor of two on this 38 mile section, from an average of five deaths and 66 injuries per year from 1995-1999 to two deaths and 32 injuries in the last year. It won't surprise anyone who has driven on the highway that motorcyclists were involved in 47% of the accidents in 1995-1998, despite being less than 3% of all registered vehicles.
then again, who needs rail guards at 45 mph ...
http://www.pashnittours.com/photos/2005-08-16/day2/Img_7483.jpg
foxpaws
08-12-2007, 11:55 PM
Hey, I did say I needed an advantage - I am not that silly...
That is why the altitude - muscling this front wheel beast around hairpins isn't going to be easy for me.. I am not that skilled... In hairpin turns... I have other skills...;)
And yes, Independence only has about a dozen of them - if I remember right...
I was just trying to level the playing field - I do like to win... And go fast...
And, plenty of rock slides - we are just smart enough to close the road from first big snow until the end of May.
because these do break off...
http://www.independence-pass.com/overlook1.jpg
G.A.R.Y.
08-13-2007, 07:45 AM
The z06 is mystical only for the moment. However if you want to go now I will borrow my friends z06 pushing around 700hp. Mine will be stock............................................. .................for a while after I get it. However in the meantime I would use the c06 raqgtop auto that I have now. Will handle much better then the Stealth, and not sure but I believe I may have a bit more experience??
I hear a lot of talking between you 2. It's time for action. I will arrange for the video crew, and will personally be there to kiss the winner. Obviously you now know who I think is going to win...
In the meantime, keep up the banter. Others may be entertained.
Stealth
08-13-2007, 08:56 AM
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
Hey, I did say I needed an advantage - I am not that silly...
That is why the altitude - muscling this front wheel beast around hairpins isn't going to be easy for me.. I am not that skilled... In hairpin turns... I have other skills...;)
And yes, Independence only has about a dozen of them - if I remember right...
I was just trying to level the playing field - I do like to win... And go fast...
And, plenty of rock slides - we are just smart enough to close the road from first big snow until the end of May.
because these do break off...
hey fox, i thought all along you had the power advantage with all them extra ponies under the hood ..
not that such makes your '93 into a beast - or a sure winner. You wanna see a BEAST, i can pull out
MY Beast which happens to be a '86 RED "Fox" ragtop unit, modified combustion, suspension tuned,
mod exhaust, RWD .. problem is, the DMV grounded her - for now.
however, we are talking Allante vs Allante, no?
what i wasnt counting on, was them "other skills" ..
something tells me, i may well be beat
before the running starts. then again, maybe not.
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
and not sure but I believe I may have a bit more experience??
I hear a lot of talking between you 2. It's time for action. I will arrange for the video crew, and will
personally be there to kiss the winner. Obviously you now know who I think is going to win...
FYI - since you eluded to experience?
i got my first dozen tickets on that stretch of the Crest,
i got my first DMV excees points warning letter cuz of that stretch, in the Crest,
i laid down two scooters on that stretch, of the Crest,
i abandoned one of them while it tumbled down an embankment, of the Crest,
i proudly wear battle scars, complements of the Crest Hwy,
i drove that Crest stretch faithfully, at dawn, every Sunday since i got my license, until i stopped,
i got hit (notice i didnt hit) three times, once at an accident scene (not mine) while the CHP watched, on the Crest,
i helped rescued kids more than once, from cars that had their wheels not on the tar mat of the Crest,
i thrown bleeding drivers, victims of the Crest, into the back seat for a run to the ranger station,
i initiated more than one date along the Crest Hwy, with the City lights distant below,
the Crest Hwy, IS memory lane.
as you might remember, i parked the scooter, permanently on a promise ?
What i should have promised instead, is to stay of the Crest Hwy instead, cuz THAT was the
real issue .. instead i got talked into parking the scooter. But .. my word is my word !
I have not stressed an engine on the Crest for awhile, so rusty i may be .. but when it comes to
experience, well, there you have it .. i have but a short 11 more years until my "scooter promise"
expires .. damn ! Where will you be then?
do what to the winner?
euwwwwwww .. i aint, NOT, into that ... eeuuwwwwwwwwww !
then again, fox does mention "other" skills ... so, maybe the race is not quite in the bag ...
ohh boy, now i remember why it is soooo difficult to win a race against a girl .. and she well knows it.
damn ! She well knows it !
At any case, my Stealth unit is fully fueled waiting on fox !
to run only at shift change .. CHP shift change that is.
one clears the stretch and then go with stopwatch.
car vs car - NOT! the law will confiscate.
even Cannonball style or holding at posted, fox will sweat, on them hairpins,
never forgetting, the CHP lurks in the shadows..
at least, so far, no cams that i know ..
.
foxpaws
08-13-2007, 10:02 AM
Hey, I may have the ponies, but, I certainly don't have that much experience...
And I know that on a stretch of road that you have soooo much experience on Stealth, I wouldn't have a chance...
I have made the trek up Independence only about 20 times - hardly a great deal of experience, and haven't been up there at all in the last couple of years (never in the caddy). I thought maybe we could play a little more fair - some hairpins - and lots of curves along with some nice stretches of straight aways.
Although, when it comes to CHP - I do have a slight advantage - only one speeding ticket - drat, and that was in the last 2 months - in the caddy (I knew I should have never gotten a red one) - but I batted my eyes, held back a tear or two and got the 25+ over down to 9 over. The last time I was caught was in the 914-6 (I would have challenged you, and won, even with no experience, on the crest easily in that - with almost anything you had to throw at it, except a bike) and then - no ticket, just a stern warning - and 'drive home safely...'
So, GARY - when I get my caddy to California - I'll challenge Stealth - wait for that CHP shift change, show him my other "skills" (if I am lucky I'll be able to postpone the race until he can't walk;)), and you can video tape the victor - and collect that kiss... (cameras off then please)...
And I have never sweated holding at posted...
Stealth
08-13-2007, 11:02 AM
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
Hey, I may have the ponies, but, I certainly don't have that much experience...
And I know that on a stretch of road that you have soooo much experience on Stealth, I wouldn't have a chance...
I have made the trek up Independence only about 20 times - hardly a great deal of experience, and haven't been up there at all in the last couple of years (never in the caddy). I thought maybe we could play a little more fair - some hairpins - and lots of curves along with some nice stretches of straight aways.
Although, when it comes to CHP - I do have a slight advantage - only one speeding ticket - drat, and that was in the last 2 months - in the caddy (I knew I should have never gotten a red one) - but I batted my eyes, held back a tear or two and got the 25+ over down to 9 over. The last time I was caught was in the 914-6 (I would have challenged you, and won, even with no experience, on the crest easily in that - with almost anything you had to throw at it, except a bike) and then - no ticket, just a stern warning - and 'drive home safely...'
So, GARY - when I get my caddy to California - I'll challenge Stealth - wait for that CHP shift change, show him my other "skills" (if I am lucky I'll be able to postpone the race until he can't walk;)), and you can video tape the victor - and collect that kiss... (cameras off then please)...
And I have never sweated holding at posted...
so what if i cant walk .. i'll be driving, not walking ..
i dont like straights, but curves is another matter ..
tell you what .. we'll use an off-shoot of the Crest, unlikely CHP,
only 4 miles or so, point to point. less than 12 ft accross,
less than 45 yard straights, all on a 60% grade, no rails, no nothing.
altitude, a mere 4,000 ft, plenty of O2 for either car.
we run only uphill, and ONLY uphill. downhill will surely scratch your
gorgeous Red Allante. TRUST ME, i should know.
IF you are good, you will come in under 15 seconds behind me,
IF you arent that good, i have to double back and rescue a damsel in distress.
here, YOU WILL SWEAT .. GUARANTEED !
Everyone does .. but it is quick and over soon.
something tells me i'm in trouble here even before the race starts !
i may just as well, start thinking about the consolation prize ..
video crew? where ? helicopter?
there aint no way in hell you can video tape there.
not so sure even a helicopter can do it.
if they could, it be done already in a film.
maybe dash mounted cams, maybe that be the only way.
problem is, if the CHP stops by, they got it all on film ..
not good, not good ...
.
76eldoragtop
08-13-2007, 11:16 AM
If we are talking caddy vs caddy without the vettes and others included, I would go with the 93 and won't have to worry about the brakes failing, especially on that road.
The lady is the pre race favorite I think G.A.R.Y. thinks so to as I'm sure he wouldn't want to be kissin stealth.
foxpaws
08-13-2007, 12:12 PM
quote - Stealth...
something tells me i'm in trouble here even before the race starts !
i may just as well start thinking about the consolation prize ..
And something tells me I have this race won - you are already talking consolation prize...:)
Of course, it will be an excellent consolation prize...
Stealth
08-14-2007, 09:33 AM
ORIGINAL: 76eldoragtop
If we are talking caddy vs caddy without the vettes and others included, I would go with the 93 and won't have to worry about the brakes failing, especially on that road.
The lady is the pre race favorite I think G.A.R.Y. thinks so to as I'm sure he wouldn't want to be kissin stealth.
hey .. win or lose, tell him to take a number !
like 10,000,000 ?
Stealth
08-14-2007, 09:36 AM
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
quote - Stealth...
something tells me i'm in trouble here even before the race starts !
i may just as well start thinking about the consolation prize ..
And something tells me I have this race won - you are already talking consolation prize...:)
Of course, it will be an excellent consolation prize...
one has to prepare for the possibilities.
it aint over until its over !
besides, top prize is not always better than the consolation prize.
tell you what .. drive in them stilettos, i give you a 20 sec handicap,
not bad on a 4 mile run ...
foxpaws
08-14-2007, 12:53 PM
I'll take those 20 seconds Stealth, and the heels, besides, I think you will enjoy the consolation prize a lot more if I am wearing those stilettos... ;)
I'll take those 20 seconds Stealth, and the heels, besides, I think you will enjoy the consolation prize a lot more if I am wearing those stilettos... ;)
OK GARY - hop in here - I think we will have about a 30 minute head start - before Stealth comes to his senses... We can get that kiss in, long before he makes it to the top...:D
G.A.R.Y.
08-15-2007, 04:30 PM
Fox, I'm ridin with you. Hell, by the time he catches up we could be having dessert.
Stealth
08-15-2007, 10:48 PM
fox,
i have recovered from the foot associated shock ... my heartbeat has leveled off .. took
a little longer than expected.
be adviced that my goo'ol buddy, G.A.R.Y., gets motion sickness and altitude
sickness, among other things. There is a reason he lives in the swamp lands.
You are going to need the 30 min headstart his riding his dead weight in the car,
hanging out the window.
Additionally, i offered a 20 sec handicap for driving with stilettos, then you come
along and present me with kitten heels? ohhh common ... lets be fair. the feet
and legs .. err ... GULP ! .. ... but the kitten heels, well, they are kitten heels.
tell you what. as long as you gonna be that way., i got a matched pair of
10-speeds, up the 4 mile Crest off-shoot, uphill, G.A.R.Y can just jog
behind with the video cam and carry the water.
same consolation prize works for me. besides, riding a bike & trailing behind ..
ohhhh .. what am i thinking .. ohhh ... where is that bottle of heart meds ?.
.
G.A.R.Y.
08-16-2007, 06:43 PM
Motion sicknes? Naah. Altidtude sickness? naah. But I can fake it if I know I will get the proper care!!
foxpaws
08-16-2007, 09:49 PM
Me.....ow......
Stealth - looking for the big girl shoes?
(sorry, a bit fuzzy - the cell phone was propped up on a curb)
Of course GARY - I make a great nurse...
And these aren't going no where near a 10 speed...
fox ... err .. not fair .. not fair ... i think that is cheating and .. and .. not fair.
how is a guy supposed to drive with that in his mind? how?
dang .. that consolation price better be .. err ... plenty soothing ?
G.A.R.Y.
08-17-2007, 04:35 PM
Hope those spikes don't clash with the mini skirt............... I generally prefer to drive but I"m not altogether opposed to ridin shot gun with a view.
Stealth
08-18-2007, 12:39 AM
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
Hope those spikes don't clash with the mini skirt............... I generally prefer to drive but I"m not altogether opposed to ridin shot gun with a view.
i was just starting to think that maybe, just maybe, you knew how to handle a
harsh mountain road, then you go and say that.
POOF ... the bubble just burst ..
G.A.R.Y.
08-18-2007, 01:26 PM
ORIGINAL: Stealth
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
Hope those spikes don't clash with the mini skirt............... I generally prefer to drive but I"m not altogether opposed to ridin shot gun with a view.
i was just starting to think that maybe, just maybe, you knew how to handle a
harsh mountain road, then you go and say that.
POOF ... the bubble just burst ..
Just so there is no misunderstanding, my idea of handling a mountain road would be in Pa while deer hunting in the snow in a rented deville. I like to rent a white one so with 3 deer tied to the roof there is some red color contrast.
Now as to bursting a bubble, let me say it again, if the view is good (an assumption at this point, of course) I have no problem riden shot gun. Notice I didn't say for how long, but it would be for long enough.
Stealth
08-18-2007, 03:46 PM
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
Just so there is no misunderstanding, my idea of handling a mountain road would be in Pa while deer hunting in the snow in a rented deville. I like to rent a white one so with 3 deer tied to the roof there is some red color contrast.
Now as to bursting a bubble, let me say it again, if the view is good (an assumption at this point, of course) I have no problem riden shot gun. Notice I didn't say for how long, but it would be for long enough.
you did catch the length of the straights? the hairpins?
about the only thing you are going to be doing, IF you ride shot gun, is hanging on for
dear life while FOX, DRIFTS in that '93, one wheel on the cliff's edge and the rear bumper
scuffing the hillside as the car DRIFTS around each hairpin.
Should FOX really decide to "drive" that road instead of drifting, FOX will need considerable
more time than the 20 second handicap, to reach the top.
i assume FOX can DRIFT, since there was some mentions of that, in the driving resume.
we're talking some hard duty on that trani, hand shifted between 1st and 2nd and back,
that N* revving 5k to 6k non-stop, not to mention the rubber and brakes. you know, them
brakes that you eluded were not needed? .. hellooooooo !
i love it .... .... win or lose, i win.
Top prize ... or ... Consolation prize !
i love it ...
.
Stealth
08-18-2007, 04:05 PM
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
Hope those spikes don't clash with the mini skirt............... I generally prefer to drive but I"m not altogether opposed to ridin shot gun with a view.
you kidding?
In the history of mankind, no spike has ever clashed with a mini skirt, EVER, unless the wearer
exceeds 150+ lbs or is a transvestite - i can assure that last item does not apply here.
Additionally, my engineering proffesional mathematical analysis of the shown spikes is that the wearer, fox,
cannot possibly be near that weight limit. You dont get out much, do you?
However, the look may and often create a crash to the viewer .. but this is a "ENTER at your own RISK" item.
G.A.R.Y.
08-19-2007, 07:54 AM
ORIGINAL: Stealth
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
Just so there is no misunderstanding, my idea of handling a mountain road would be in Pa while deer hunting in the snow in a rented deville. I like to rent a white one so with 3 deer tied to the roof there is some red color contrast.
Now as to bursting a bubble, let me say it again, if the view is good (an assumption at this point, of course) I have no problem riden shot gun. Notice I didn't say for how long, but it would be for long enough.
you did catch the length of the straights? the hairpins?
about the only thing you are going to be doing, IF you ride shot gun, is hanging on for
dear life while FOX, DRIFTS in that '93, one wheel on the cliff's edge and the rear bumper
scuffing the hillside as the car DRIFTS around each hairpin.
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Again you missed my point. What do you think the view would be of and more imprortantly what will I be hanging on to?? Just use your imagination.
G.A.R.Y.
08-19-2007, 07:58 AM
ORIGINAL: Stealth
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
Hope those spikes don't clash with the mini skirt............... I generally prefer to drive but I"m not altogether opposed to ridin shot gun with a view.
you kidding?
In the history of mankind, no spike has ever clashed with a mini skirt, EVER, unless the wearer
exceeds 150+ lbs or is a transvestite - i can assure that last item does not apply here.
Additionally, my engineering proffesional mathematical analysis of the shown spikes is that the wearer, fox,
cannot possibly be near that weight limit. You dont get out much, do you?
However, the look may and often create a crash to the viewer .. but this is a "ENTER at your own RISK" item.
Dude, clash was refering to color. Thought that might provoke another pic with more then just the shoes. I think it's either too late or too early for you during the last 2 posts, get another cup of jaba. Besides you know me better then that, you just need to figure out my agenda.
Stealth
08-19-2007, 11:06 AM
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
Dude, clash was refering to color. Thought that might provoke another pic with more then just the shoes. I think it's either too late or too early for you during the last 2 posts, get another cup of jaba. Besides you know me better then that, you just need to figure out my agenda.
Color?
a fox, this fox, any fox .. sitting a la miniskirt, stilettos a la pie .. COLOR? i'm color blind ...
i can easily ignore the book's cover, real easily, if it comes to that.
then again, seeing the fox's mini skirt and the stilettos would be a nice change.
will have to wait and see if fox provides that .. yep .. i can dig that, special if
fox is wearing such..
jabba .. well, one cant have enough of a good fresh brew ...
sooo .. drift exp?
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foxpaws
08-19-2007, 08:29 PM
Oh, you think I have something else on - other than the shoes...;)
Oh, you think I have something else on - other than the shoes...;)
So sorry, what a dumb assumption on my part. I feel much better now knowing that the shoes aren't calshing with ANYTHING....
Stealth
08-23-2007, 12:40 AM
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
I think I get your drift...
Although - drifting a front wheel drive car is pretty silly...
it was stilly of me ...
i meant silly ...
Fox, i must have been thinking about the fox car ..
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Stealth
09-25-2007, 09:46 PM
Fox,
an easy ride to the Crest .. not the Crest offshoot in question. skip the 1st 1 min and 20 seconds.
Take a RIDE to the CREST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FpTutqFmWg)
Next is the sort of riding that taught Stealth the value of life. My guess, these riders are pulling maybe 60 mph or a bit more, but not by much. Do watch for the knees riding the tar mat - these guys are riding at the edge of the envelope. There is no margin for gravel, animals, rocks, etc. There is a reason this 10 mile section has been declared the deadliest stretch of highway in the state of California.
The 45 mph posted is for the "straight ways" .. the loops are lower, MUCH lower .. 20 or 15 mph. I hope you dont get "motion sickness". Turn the volume up, and hang on ..
A FASTER Ride to the CREST Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLf2bjsXNBA)
A FASTER RIDE .. PART 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y-EvGrP63s)
Couldnt find this kind of stuff for the Crest, so use yor imagination, add the cliffs, the rocks, the fence rails .. From someone that's been there ...
WHEN things GO WRONG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkJwMtxE9PI)
I am still looking for a Crest offshoot clip. The Offshoot makes that road on the clips look like child's play.
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Stealth
10-09-2007, 06:44 PM
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
Stomper -
I think that they replaced the bushings that rotate with standard stock rubber - no squeaks - and the ones that compress with poly - so I get that extra bit of bite...
Heck - the Crest beckons - this thing sticks like glue, with the new wider tires, and the wonderful work they did on the suspension - I think I could take you...
Fox,
Do I take that as a ... hmmm .. challenge ... ?
How did stomper .. err .. got into the Crest event ?
I cant see running his 4x4 on the Crest, then again, he could
just by pass the paved road and hit it straight downhill on the dirt.
BTW, tell me that you have watched the clips above ...
This could be fun to watch
http://www.cadillacforum.com/upfiles/3799/6FFE9B38FC3E4A5085FB5F56F4F985B3.jpg VS http://www.cadillacforum.com/avatars/DA25F63ED62046D0954230D6256872A5.jpg
foxpaws
10-09-2007, 11:47 PM
I watched, learned - and give me a couple of practice runs and I think the stickiness of the new suspension (along with new shoes - car and stilettos) would give you a pretty good race...
G.A.R.Y.
10-10-2007, 08:51 AM
Don't forget your co-pilot will be sitting at the top with you waiting for him to show up eventually.
Stealth
10-10-2007, 10:32 AM
ORIGINAL: foxpaws
I watched, learned - and give me a couple of practice runs and I think the stickiness of the new suspension (along with new shoes - car and stilettos) would give you a pretty good race...
Fox,
How confident are you? enough to give up the time handicap ? Is the key phrase here "I Think" ... ?
The suspension mods are a sure and excellent step on the challenge as those will do more for you than horse power, at the Crest offshot. HP is always nice, as long as you know when to call on it and when to hold back.
Do you have nerves of steel and icy emotions (no fear) ? I get a feeling that Gary, just like myself, have experienced the thrills of seriously putting a bike down in the past. That goes a long way on building nerves of steel. Have you?
I will take you there, as many days in advance as you like - you can take as many practice runs as you can afford. Do bring plastic, you may need new tires after a few runs. Remember, you be going UPHILL all the way, FWD trying to break free, traction control computer trying to shut you down (mine dont have such a computer) .. I know it can be disabled, learn how, then you can test the track both ways .. I'm not sure if the disable is for seconds or for the duration of the run .. see? I'm even trying to help you win.
Something tells me that you can now give Gary's mystical Vette a run for his money.
BTW, did i mention that you CANNOT have a copilot, you cannot run against another car .. .. legalize sort of stuff.
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G.A.R.Y.
10-10-2007, 03:36 PM
On the 93 the traction controll can be disabled for 11 ignition cycles, so that takes care of that. Secondly the z06 is still mystical, as you put it, for the near future. Thirdly you cannot change the rules. A co-pilot was spoken about in an earlier thread and there was no objection at that time. Besides it will add about 200 pounds to the new suspension.
Stealth
10-10-2007, 04:38 PM
ORIGINAL: G.A.R.Y.
On the 93 the traction controll can be disabled for 11 ignition cycles, so that takes care of that. Secondly the z06 is still mystical, as you put it, for the near future. Thirdly you cannot change the rules. A co-pilot was spoken about in an earlier thread and there was no objection at that time. Besides it will add about 200 pounds to the new suspension.
Is not a change in rules, it is a change to avoid legal ramifications on the driver - period.
Its the law speaking ...
G.A.R.Y.
10-10-2007, 07:47 PM
I guess I will have to put my head down then so I can't be seen. Oh boy.
76eldoragtop
10-10-2007, 08:05 PM
If that's the case then along with the video guy taping the run there should also be a car cam!!!!
Stealth
10-10-2007, 10:27 PM
you guys can go in the trunk .. hers .. not mine.
the cam? she is wearing one on the helmet.
foxpaws
10-11-2007, 11:14 AM
Gary - you want to survive the run - right - maybe we can see about "head down" as part of our victory celebration!!!!;) We will have plenty of time before Stealth arrives...
G.A.R.Y.
10-11-2007, 05:37 PM
We will need it. LOL .).)
foxpaws
10-14-2007, 11:41 AM
Gary, well I am glad to see you aren't a "minuteman" :D